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Tallinn to have free public transport from 2013

The busses, for instance, are already in such a bad shape (broken doors not closing anymore, seats falling apart that are fixed with tape and so on) that I really wonder when we will have the first casualties (hopefully never), because there will be no more money for investments done in the infrastructure of public transportation. Altogether with the bad shape of Tallinn's streets, it is probably only a question of time when the first ridership is killed in an accident.

Sadly, the first toddler already died earlier last year due to deficient infrastructure of Tallinn's kindergartens.

Big governments are not only pulling out our money from our pockets, the may well cause death also. Reply to the comment answer
~knut albers [26.03.2012, 12:14]
Here's an example, where a kindergarten in Tallinn doesn't have the funds to have the old, dangerous playground from the Soviet times removed, so the parents had to contribute to pay for its removal:

I think the big opposition to free transport is not the concept itself, but rather in how this will be funded. There's a shortage of funding in other areas, particular in kindergartens (there's a long waiting queue for spaces), and the money may be spent in better ways than free tickets.
~ameeriklane [26.03.2012, 15:38]
I agree the main issue it's the way of funding, but that is what government does all the time. A government has a certain budget. It means if they offer something "for free", they need to loose sight of something else or must enable credit financing and/ or raise of taxes.

Also, if they do not want to run down the infrastructure of public transportation in Tallinn (and I have indeed seen all of this as stated earlier, plus busses that break down in the middle of the street due to infirmity), we will probably see both, tax increase and credit spending.

The busses with such problems mentioned above are mainly those of this age:


...and there are plenty of these driving around ion Tallinn (I would say the majorty of them).
~knut albers [26.03.2012, 21:09]
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Do we live in the same Tallinn? I use the bus rather frequently and while many, not all, of them are old, I have never seen one repaired with tape or that had doors that wouldnt close. Reply to the comment answer
~@knut [26.03.2012, 13:03]
Don't worry, it's just Patient Knut Albers commenting again for the sake of commenting. Totally agree with you, some of the transport might be a little rusty but nowhere near the alarmist picture he paints.
~- [26.03.2012, 14:28]
Streets in Oslo are often worse than in Tallinn. The trams and buses I use may sometimes be old, but they work - I get from A to B as planned. This is the way Oslo and other cities should go when they are jammed with private cars. Imagine what it cost to have a big part of the labourforce sitting stuck in the traffic
~Norwegian [26.03.2012, 15:03]
Oslo streets worse than Tallinn? If I may recommend for you to stop using snus so much Knut. Not good for the brain. That is asuming you really are a norwegian and not some estonian clown posing as one.
~laut bond razor [26.03.2012, 22:07]
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The city has already cut out street cleaning for lack of money, has no money for kindergartens and the needy such as pensioners already get a special deal on transport.
The idea of charging more for parking and use of private cars such as London has done, is actually good for the planet but at least you have to have the capital to investment and improve the existing system

Given the City leaderships socialist and populist policies combined with a history of chronic internal corruption and poor management, so I guess we will just watch the public transport system collapse, but then with good Estonian entrpeneurship, providing the city does not erect complete barriers around the city then we will either move to Mexico City system of private busses or companies will just move out of Tallinn Reply to the comment answer
~correspondent [26.03.2012, 17:34]
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I am not necessarily against this idea, it is good for the environment if people use public transport rather than SUVs. But the mentality from this ex (?) communist. "free public transport"? free, my .... Just because the state pays for it it doesnt mean it is free. In the Soviet Union there was "free" housing, wasnt that super? Lets have another poll; "Do you want to have free apartments?". I bet 99% will vote yes to that. Or how about "Free bread?" (was just 2 kopek for bread in Soviet times). Reply to the comment answer
~Dag [26.03.2012, 17:52]
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How are they going to pay for all this? Ask another hand out from the EU perhaps. Reply to the comment answer
~tox-nh tv krug [26.03.2012, 22:04]
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just flew in from Germany yesterday and Tallinn is very dpressing, old houses, dirty streets, sad people. You say this is EU? here it is much worse than 3rd world but with low wages and high prices. Reply to the comment answer
~William [27.03.2012, 05:55]
Nice try Hiiumaa Man.
~Yeah, rightcrwc07 [27.03.2012, 09:15]
Actually the contrast couldn't be more complete.

Drove across Sweden, apart from the NIGHTMARE to find the ferry port in Stockholm, the roads were fine and flat.

Arrived in Helsinki. Same.

Arrived in Tallinn.
£!^^&$$&%))(*&%!!! WTF is that??

Everywhere potholes, rutted and churned up roads, huge puddles, MUD.
A new road in Estonia only lasts 2 years, because after someone has pocketed HALF the money in corruption, they don't lay road foundations like in Scandinavia, they just put another layer on, and hey presto 2 years later it's back to the way it was before.
It will always be this way in Ex-communist countries, because they don't understand any other way of living.

Make public transport free, it makes a fat lot of difference any way!

And that was just TALLINN!
~knackered Eastern Europe [27.03.2012, 10:23]
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"Everywhere potholes, rutted and churned up roads, huge puddles, MUD."
A good description of German streets...(not highways) Reply to the comment answer
~hohoho [27.03.2012, 10:44]
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Yea, so I spent a few days in Tallinn last week.

I found myself in Lasnamae at the local mall there when I got a little lost on Mustakivi street. I drove all over town last weekend, and the only polling booth I ever saw was in the Lasnamae mall. I voted "no" for the hell of it. Being in Tallinn almost every weekend, I don't want to pay more for a freaking bus ticket as an out of towner anyway. (Yes, I do use the bus rather often when I'm in Tallinn, even though I do have a car) Reply to the comment answer
~Other Ameeriklane [27.03.2012, 13:32]
Nice try, dude. If you are not registered in Tallinn you could not vote. They checked ID. And that's not considering if you even have the right to vote Other Ameeriklane.
~@ [27.03.2012, 19:08]
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